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    Vienna...ale?


    Hi guys,

    So the time has come for me to brew again. I hope. Anyway, I have in mind a lower ABV ale, brewed with Vienna malt for the most part. I love the Vienna malt flavour, and would love a darker Vienna lager, but I don't have the time or equipment to do a proper lager brew. For hops I have some Southern Promise, which I think will benefit the Vienna malt.

    So my plan is as follows, for a 12l batch:

    1kg Vienna Malt
    1kg Pale Malt
    300g CaraMunich II

    Mash relatively high temps, around 71C. Should round the beer out sweeter.

    Boil 30 min, with a 15g Souther Promise addition at the start of the boil. Aiming for a 12IBU bittering here.

    I'm still undecided about the yeast to use. I have some yeasts at home and the adventurer in me actually wants to see what I can do with a generic yeast, but I'll probably end up with a warm lager yeast to use, with a long time in the fermenter. I'll have to see how it plays out.

    According to the brew calculator I use I should end up with closer to 4% ABV, which is spot on where I'm aiming for.

    So, any tips/tricks/ideas I have to keep in mind?

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    Ahhh brewing. I remember those days.

    You could even go all out and use 100% vienna. Or maybe a touch of munich for a bit of colour/ complexity.
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    I don't want to go overboard with the Vienna, and the recipe I pulled off Google said "50/50". I want to keep it still light-ish, and yeah the CaraMunich II is the medium one, for some colour. It apparently imparts a nutty flavour, which will also be welcome. I'm hopeful for this one, but I'm stuck with smaller batches for now, so if it's good who knows if I'll get it perfect again (my biggest gripe with brewing). I'm OK with it as well, just FYI :P

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    Welcome back to brewing. Hopefully your kid is doing good. I agree on the Vienna. I would just add some crystal malt for even better head retention. Considering the amount of brews under your belt. ( similar to mine) I don't think you should stuff around with yeasts pic a s04 or 5 and get it done

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    This is what i get in Beersmith ....
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    IBU = 27 ?? ... that's going with 11.8%AA currently at Beerlab

    but as Langchop said, I would also do 100% Vienna up to as much as 2.5Kg ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jannieverjaar View Post
    Welcome back to brewing. Hopefully your kid is doing good. I agree on the Vienna. I would just add some crystal malt for even better head retention. Considering the amount of brews under your belt. ( similar to mine) I don't think you should stuff around with yeasts pic a s04 or 5 and get it done

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    Kid's doing good, yeah thanks for asking man! I'll mull the grain idea in my head, for sure. As for the yeast, I have SafLager S-23 I'm going to use. It is a true lager strain, but can be fermented up to 22C. I'll obviously do my best to keep it as low as possible, but still. It should be fine

    Quote Originally Posted by JIGSAW View Post
    This is what i get in Beersmith ....
    Screenshot_39.jpg
    IBU = 27 ?? ... that's going with 11.8%AA currently at Beerlab

    but as Langchop said, I would also do 100% Vienna up to as much as 2.5Kg ....
    Screenshot_40.jpg
    See this is why you ask advice. For some reason I had the Southern Promise at 6% AA. I see it's supposed to be around 11%-12%. I'll halve that amount then - 8g of Southern Promise then, same boil. Same comment on the grain - I'll think it over. I kinda already placed the order for the above...

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    OK so I got the ingredients. I'm planning a 12l batch, for now, but I'll water it down a bit if the gravity is too high for me. Let's see how it'll go...

    Also, I got some glass jars, sterilized, into which I will be harvesting my yeast when done. I plan on doing at least one more Vienna lager, so saving the yeast is a good idea. Winter is the perfect time to brew a lager at my place, since it gets lekker cold in some rooms, so here's to getting it right!

    I'll be mashing slightly higher to get a slightly sweeter finish, so strike temp will be at 69C, to mash at 67C. I'm aiming for a 12l batch with 15l strike water, but I have a cooler box to play with so I'll see how the day plays out.

    On to the next question - I know BIAB is where you mash with the grains in a bag and and and, but I have another question here. Why can I just mash straight in the cooler box, with no bag and everything, which will allow the grains to really spread in the water, easy to mix, and then when I get the wort into a pot, I simply pour it through the grain bag? Grain bag fits over the edge of the pot, and it's a small batch, so pouring the wort with the grains into the pot should be pretty easy, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxxyc View Post
    OK so I got the ingredients. I'm planning a 12l batch, for now, but I'll water it down a bit if the gravity is too high for me. Let's see how it'll go...

    Also, I got some glass jars, sterilized, into which I will be harvesting my yeast when done. I plan on doing at least one more Vienna lager, so saving the yeast is a good idea. Winter is the perfect time to brew a lager at my place, since it gets lekker cold in some rooms, so here's to getting it right!

    I'll be mashing slightly higher to get a slightly sweeter finish, so strike temp will be at 69C, to mash at 67C. I'm aiming for a 12l batch with 15l strike water, but I have a cooler box to play with so I'll see how the day plays out.

    On to the next question - I know BIAB is where you mash with the grains in a bag and and and, but I have another question here. Why can I just mash straight in the cooler box, with no bag and everything, which will allow the grains to really spread in the water, easy to mix, and then when I get the wort into a pot, I simply pour it through the grain bag? Grain bag fits over the edge of the pot, and it's a small batch, so pouring the wort with the grains into the pot should be pretty easy, no?
    You will get better efficiency if you decide to leave the bag out of it. As you said, it's a small batch so you should be able to pour the wort through your grain bag without too much effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johan Stander View Post
    You will get better efficiency if you decide to leave the bag out of it. As you said, it's a small batch so you should be able to pour the wort through your grain bag without too much effort.
    Exactly my thoughts, yeah. I want to heat up the cooler box (which is huge), get the strike water to temp, pour in the grains and then mix it well every 5 minutes or so, to get all the sugars out properly. I can then use the bag as a "filter", of sorts, as I pour the wort into the boil pot. Or pots. I'll see how it goes

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    I'm sure it can work, but there is no need to stir it every 5min tho

    A stir at 30min into mash should be enough.

    How are you handling a mash-out? or are you just gonna add some boiled water at the end just before transferring to the pot?
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